Wikipedia talk:New contributors' help page/Archive 3

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Video Wikipedia talk:New contributors' help page/Archive 3

New Project

Several editors have been compiling a list of very active editors who would likely be available to help new editors in the event they have questions or concerns. As the list grew and the table became more detailed, it was determined that the best way to complete the table was to ask each potential candidate to fill in their own information, if they so desire. This list is sorted geographically in order to provide a better estimate as to whether the listed editor is likely to be active.

If you consider yourself a very active Wikipedian who is willing to help newcomers, please either complete your information in the table or add your entry. If you do not want to be on the list, either remove your name or just disregard this message and your entry will be removed within 72 hours. The table can be found at User:Useight/Highly Active, as it has yet to have been moved into the Wikipedia namespace. Thank you for your help.

P.S. - Sorry for posting this here, but I didn't want to post on everyone's individual talk page (I started to, but I felt like I was spamming everyone). --RyRy5 (talk ? copy-edit) 04:55, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Maps Wikipedia talk:New contributors' help page/Archive 3

Title error

Re: Images in a convent (film title). Is it considered changing the title of an article by changing a letter to upper case, as is needed with this article? Do I contact an admin or do it myself? Mike P (talk) 23:21, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

This is an uncontroversial change so just do it yourself with the "move" tab. See also Help:Moving a page. Wikipedia calls any change in page title a move, also if it just changes capitalization. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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Articles written like an advertisement

Hi,

As a new contributor I'm writing this article about a record producer. It will include multiple citations and references. In my research I've also started to read articles here on Wikipedia about other record producers, for example Max Martin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Martin.

On top of this page it says "This article or section is written like an advertisement. Please help rewrite this article from a neutral point of view." On the bottom, which I understand, it says "This article needs additional citations for verification."

I'd very much like to avoid any mistakes in my own article, so I have three questions:

1. Quote: "This article is written like an advertisement..." Please explain what this means and how dodge it?

2. Quote: "Please help rewrite this article from a neutral point of view." Again, what does this mean? At least to me it seems that this article was written by a devoted fan? (Perhaps I'm wrong.)

3. This article is obviously missing citations and references. Is that the reason for the two comments "advertisment and rewrite"? Or are there other things I have to consider, adding or perhaps excluding, writing my article?

I will be very greatful for answers, Dafos (talk) 18:00, 8 June 2008 (UTC) (talk) 17:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey Dafos, I would say that the idea is to sound less like a fan page and more like a piece of reference material. The idea is to keep Wikipedia objective. If all wikipedia was is one side to each story then no one would be able to understand if they were reading facts or opinions. Something I try to do to keep neutral point of view is keep to the facts as opposed to the opinions. where as the article that seems like a advertisment would say "bob is an amazing artist" a encyclopedia article may say "bob has recieved much attention in the local community" siting a refrence perhaps to an article on bob by a local magazine or something of that sort. hope that helps some. Sykko (talk) 17:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

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"Other ways to get help"

How about adding something like this:
In the search box on the upper left of your screen, try typing "wp" (for wikipedia) followed by a colon, and then a specific subject you need help on. For example, if you want to learn about images on Wikipedia, type "wp:images."
I often do this rather than going to general help pages, since I usually get redirected to the appropriate page, or a relevant page. --WikiWes77 (talk) 23:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Not really a fan of this as sometimes it can be difficult to pick out a word. For example, WP:DELETE to a newcomer should really display Wikipedia:Why was my article deleted? rather than Wikipedia:Deletion policy. I'd prefer it if they asked and we gave them places to go to. And if it goes to a page that doesn't exist, they might get lost or even put their question on this non-existent page or something. x42bn6 Talk Mess 14:28, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Okay. Does anyone else have feedback? --WikiWes77 (talk) 20:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

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Orli Shaham

You have asked for expansion on the article about the Israeli pianist Orli Shaham. The following is part of her repertoire. This has been copied from her listings in Amazon.com. As you can see, these recordings have been made with her older and much more famous brother Gil Shaham. She has performed independently, but all of her current recordings have been played with him. I have no idea if any of this is of interest relative to Wikipedia.

Mozart Violin Sonatas - Gil Shaham, Orli Shaham [Region 2] by W. A. Mozart, Palais Daun-Kinsky, and Vienna (DVD - 2006) - AC-3 (My Note: This DVD is in Region 2 format which greatly limits the DVD players on which it can be played.)

Sergei Prokofiev: Works for Violin and Piano by Gil Shaham and Orli Shaham (Audio CD - 2004)

Prokofiev: Works for Violin & Piano by Sergei Prokofiev, Gil Shaham, and Orli Shaham (Audio CD - 2008)

Mozart in Paris by W.A. Mozart, Gil Shaham, and Orli Shaham (Audio CD - 2008)

Dvorák For Two: Works For Violin & Piano by Antonin Dvorák, Orli Shaham, and Gil Shaham (Audio CD - 1997)

Gerryrains (talk) 13:00, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

If you post this at Talk:Orli Shaham, you could get better feedback from people who actually work on the article. -- Natalya 13:23, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

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Preloaded text

Is the preloaded text in the edit window really working out? It seems to confuse a lot of people who are trying to cram their entire question into the subject line. On other help pages (e.g. WP:FEED or WP:DRAW) people seem to be able to manage the subject and message windows when they're left blank, and sinebot handles those who don't know how to sign. I think we should go back to the regular Wiki interface instead of having special instructions just for here. --Elipongo (Talk contribs) 10:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree - It isn't working. Zain Ebrahim (talk) 10:44, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I think we should get rid of this. Does anyone want it to stay? Zain Ebrahim (talk) 15:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I think, instead of getting rid of it, it should be moved to the top of edit window page, similar to what the Help Desk uses. That way, new users will still have some guidance in case they're confused. Cheers! TN-X-Man 15:17, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Yup that would work. I still think we need a big red flashing sign as well (see below)! - ukexpat (talk) 18:32, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree it seem to be working that well; I've taken it out. Tra (Talk) 18:19, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

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"How to create an article" link...

This question is asked so frequently here and on WP:Help desk that I propose that a big red, flashing link be added to the header templates that takes the reader to one of the "how to" pages, such as WP:YFA - something to attract attention of users seeking help creating their first article. - ukexpat (talk) 21:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Please, no flashing. SpinningSpark 20:43, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree with ukexpat and Spinning Spark: how about a button that links to WP:YFA, but doesn't flash... by the way I'm a natural talent at reaching compromises :p Spitfire^Tally-ho! 13:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

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"Dr. James Robinson (filk artist)" entry

Someone with the handle "The JPS" deleted an article on Dr. James Robinson, the filk artist, only giving "A7" as the reason. This article was valid under the Wikipedia guidelines shown here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability#Does_the_fact_that_Reliable_Sources_may_be_of_interest_to_one_.22select_community.22_mean_they_cannot_establish_notability.3F

Is there a way to get this article back? Dr. James (as he's known to his friends) is of note, although most of his recordings were done as "Dr. Jane" Robinson. I cite the following URLs as proof:

http://www.ovff.org/pegasus/people/jane-robinson.html - His list of Pegasus awards, along with a biography

http://www.loscon.org/34/robinson.html - His guest of honor biography for Loscon

http://www.filkontario.ca/2000.htm - His induction into the Filk Hall of Fame

Clearly someone with these credentials deserves a Wikipedia page. Following the precedence set by the Wendy Carlos entry, there ought to be a Dr. James Robinson page that discusses his accomplishments as "Dr. Jane" with an entry for "Dr. Jane Robinson" that forwards to the "Dr. James" page. --Figmo (talk) 17:41, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

I can't find the article to even take a look at it. Can you specify the exact title? What makes those three sources reliable? The Wendy Carlos entry features a few RSs (such as a newspaper article). However, those three look quite amateurish. The JPS^{talk to me} 18:03, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The apparent deletion noted is from 2006 and was under the name James Robinson (filk artist) (deletion log entry).--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I've had a look. Feel free to have another go, this time including references to reliable sources. It's not worth restoring the previous version as there are no references whatsoever, and the danger would be it staying as it is without its advocates doing any work. I can understood why I deleted it! Without a reference I probably saw the 'sex change' section as a violation of BLP too. As I say, you can have another go. If I feel that it's still inadequate I'll take it to AFD rather than speedy. The JPS^{talk to me} 19:43, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The former "Dr. Jane" is a household word at my house, so I undertook to rescue this; see James Robinson (filk musician). --Orange Mike | Talk 05:50, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I think a major SF convention that's been running thirty-four years is pretty reliable as well as sufficiently professional. This is the same convention committee who ran the WorldCon where I saw major movie studios set up no less than a half-dozen large walk-through displays for their upcoming feature films. They don't pick just anyone to be a Guest of Honor. I'm glad to see this article restored; it's proving useful for a wikia page I'm writing. Corgi (talk) 04:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

We're talking science fiction fandom here; they are both reliable and competent, but not professional: this is all done as a labor of love by volunteers, in the long tradition of science fiction conventions over the decades. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

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Questions, questions

I was having a look at making Wikipedia:Questions easier for new users to understand. There seem to be several places to ask questions, so could you tell me the difference between the Wikipedia:Help_desk and this help page? LeeVJ (talk) 22:58, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Technically, nothing. However, I think this page has been kept separate so that new users don't feel confronted by the relatively large number of "expert" questions on the Help desk (i.e. questions from people who already know most of the basics and are asking about more advanced topics). Also, this page is as a result a little bit lower in traffic, which may make it easier for someone not familiar with Wikipedia page structure to track. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 23:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah so 'help desk for newcomers' then. Does this mean we should point out the preference for new users to come here first and the helpdesk later on the Wikipedia:Questions page, which is encountered earlier on by new users following the intro links - trouble is this might increase traffic ? LeeVJ (talk) 23:25, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Seems sensible to me. - ukexpat (talk) 00:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

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User name and user signature

What do I need to do to get my user signature to match my user name? The User Name is DA01 but the signature says Harri. Thanks. --Harri (talk) 03:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC)22:38 29 Jan 2009

Go to Special:Preferences and change whatever is in the Signature field. Uncheck (if it isn't already) the Raw Signature box if you would like to keep it simple. See WP:SIG if you want to customize your signature. - Skyezx^message 04:17, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

IRC Channel

Ironic that I should be asking, but how would I go about getting "helper" status in the #wikipedia-en-help channel? Robert Skyhawk ^{So sue me!} (You'll lose) 01:31, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried asking on-channel? SpinningSpark 18:30, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

wikia

i have a wikia wiki and i was just wondering how to change the name of an article. Please email me the answer @ strikeout 00:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)68.3.191.130 (talk)

Assuming Wikia works the same way as Wikipedia, you move a page to rename it, but your best course is to take a look at Wikia Help. - ukexpat (talk) 00:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) This page is for help about Wikipedia. See Help:Moving a page for how it works in Wikipedia where autoconfirmed users have a "move" link at the top of pages. I don't know how Wikia operates. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I've edited at wikia quite a bit, its exactly the same layout for moving pages, but please ask questions on the actualy page, not the talk page, thanks Spitfire^Tally-ho! 11:45, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Tagging questions

Hey, I'm interested in helping out here, but I was wondering a couple things: first, what tags do you use for the questions? I can see resolved, and I tagged one with {{unresolved}}, but do you use {{stuck}} or anything like that? Also, is your archiving bot-assisted, or cut-and-paste, or what? Thanks! Fleetflame 23:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

The templates we use really depend on the individual editor. I don't think I've seen {{stuck}} used, but that doesn't mean it can't be. I believe our archiving bot is run manually by a User:Ummit (or at least the Help Desk's archive is). I look forward to seeing your answers here! TNXMan 00:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

A fine place to say hello

Hello everyone. I am an ordinary person who enjoys researching many topics. I want to say that the mind-power that has gone into creating and developing this web-necessary resource should not be taken for granted. Wow. I enjoy Wiki and I depend on this website to continually provide me and the public with. I can already see that people are passionate about finding the absolute 100% truth, and crystal clear answers to all and any question that we as humans can think of. Questions that may baffle many scientists and doctors and professors alike are easily decoded right on this site! Thank for your help, thank you for the great work!Cosmos0001 (talk) 04:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! :) -- QuantumEleven 14:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Help request

Help me. I don't understand why my article is requested for speedy deletion? --Preceding unsigned comment added by Mwaldron7 (talk o contribs) 18:42, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

It's written as an advertisement, filled with peacock words and violations of neutral point of view. It has no sources of any kind. It has nothing to indicate notability of the subject company. Follow some of the links on the article's problem tags I just placed. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:46, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Just in case you may be wondering if a single editor has an unfair reaction to your work, I just reviewed it and completely concur. It isn't written in the style on an encyclopedia article.--SPhilbrickT 16:13, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Be careful with templating

I notice that helpers on this page often place "do your work homework" and "try to reference desk" templates too often, with little or no advice, especially with the latter. Sometimes, new users are coming here asking for help on how to find a page or information on Wikipedia. In those types of cases, they are asking questions about using Wikipedia and need to be directed to certain areas. They may, on the other hand, need us to say that Wikipedia doesn't have/carry that kind of information, but that they should try asking on the reference desk. I just advise everyone who answers questions here to make sure that users aren't left confused to the answers of their questions. Please re-read templates and make sure that they make sense in specific situations. hmwitht 15:45, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, try to use templates sparingly. Some people don't appreciate being templated with cold and impersonal automated messages, they would much rather get a custom message from a human being. -- oe^(TM) 19:47, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Adding editnotices for tutorial sandboxes

Users with experience in dealing with new contributors would be appreciated for feedback here. Thanks, Cenarium (talk) 00:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:Helpdesk

Question: in what way does this page not duplicate WP:Helpdesk? Rd232 ^talk 15:45, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess here, people should be more inclined to answer stupid questions, and maybe because you don't have to be extremely experienced to answer them.--Unionhawk ^{Talk E-mail Review} 15:58, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Are you getting confused with Wikipedia:Reference desk? I mean I don't see a difference between this page and Wikipedia:Help desk. If there is one, it should be explained better. Rd232 ^talk 16:03, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

See earlier discussions at #Questions, questions, Wikipedia talk:Help desk/Archive 4#Merge new Contributor's Help Page?, Wikipedia talk:Help desk/Archive 7#Merger proposal. Some new editors may be more inclined to seek help here without being afraid of asking questions that sound stupid, and some answers may make fewer assumptions about what the questionner already knows about Wikipedia. I don't think there is need to explain such potential differences to users. They can ask questions about Wikipedia in both pages and choose whatever they find first or like best. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:13, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

OK, thanks. In that case, I suggest (a) adding an explanatory {{notice}} at the top of this page, because this question must occur frequently (b) mention this page at Wikipedia:Help desk, pointing newcomers here, away from the more advanced questions that might look scary (c) under Wikipedia:New contributors' help page#Where to get other questions answered note the Help Desk as a place where more experienced contributors may ask more advanced/technical questions. Something like that, to clarify the different purposes and link the two. Rd232 ^talk 16:25, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I feel it takes a lot more patience and experience to answer the questions at NCHP rather than HD. More detailed answers are required here, even though most questions are pretty basic and repeated quite often. While I'm not against the idea of adding a notice, my experience is that questioners rarely pay any attention to them. Sometimes, it would just confuse them even more on where to go. ? Chamal ^talk ¤ 12:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. No objection to the notice at the top of this page, though? Rd232 ^talk 14:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

<- On a related point, there is also Feedback. I'm mildly concerned that we aren't giving clear advice to editors on how to choose the right forum - but that's only a minor concern. My bigger concern is that the feedback forum isn't staffed very well. I've tried to help, but I'm often either out of my depth, or feel that there should be alternative views expressed - I feel bad because some requests go quite some time with limited answers. What is the right place to discuss these issues - both how to direct editors to the right place and how to encourage those willing to help to spend a little more time at Feedback. I think the canonical aritcle creation should be start something in user space, then visit feedback, but I can't push this if the responses at Feedback are hit and miss. --SPhilbrickT 13:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried advertising? {{Wikipedia ads}} Rd232 ^talk 14:57, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Editing with an IP address

A new user asks a good faith question about whether it is permitted to use multiple IP addresses. This is a perfectly valid thing to do, many editors edit while travelling around and if your ISP assigns your IP dynamically you have no choice anyway. It is completely unnecessary to harangue the user with dire warnings against sockpuppetry and abusive editing. There is far too much "reading the rulebook" to newbies going on on this page and it must be terribly off-putting. Of course if someone asks if it is ok to use an IP to avoid a block or stack votes they have to be told the rules. It is not neccessary to do so when the editor has not asked and has shown no sign of even thinking of doing those things. SpinningSpark 20:19, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Template to advise of an answer

Hi everyone,

I was looking around the template lists, and I could not find a template for easily notifying a user that their question has been answered. So, I have created one (Template:Vol-nchp-reply) - If anyone else was looking for a template like this, then this one might work. This template is specific to the New contributors' help page, but I will probably make ones for the other help pages soon. I have left instructions for filling in the variables on the template page. Vancouver Outlaw (Speak) 08:21, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks good; NB {{Helpdeskreply}} if you are considering creating one for there. Gonzonoir (talk) 09:03, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Yes, I was considering making one for the Help Desk, but if one already exists, then great. Vancouver Outlaw (Speak) 09:06, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Ernesto Che Guevara

If anyone ha any information about myquestion, which i at the bottom please let meknow. It is listed at the bottom. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.87.160.66 (talk) 14:19, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

It's been answered by Fleetflame. TNXMan 14:21, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

References

I could help but it has been indicated that one should not provide help relative to oneself. But there are requests for non-biased links and for a list of my publications

These requests go back some time. When I have provided any information this has not been liked. But no one besides an individual is going to be able to provide specific information, even links to independent web sites. I could provide that list of publications and actually had done so (in Research Paradigmss - Howard E. Zimmerman) which was not appreciated and was not recognzed despite the comment that getting my publications was difficult.

Let me suggest that you can get most of the desired information on Google by searching for Howard E. Zimmerman Chemistry.

I appreciate your difficulties and am trying to make things easier.

Howard E. Zimmerman 22:33, 23 January 2010 (UTC) --Preceding unsigned comment added by Hezimmerman (talk o contribs)

Template:NA

FYI, {{NA}} has been nominated for deletion again. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 07:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

the usage of the word of focus

who knows when the word of focus can be used in plural. if i want to express in the same way as research directions in a research organization, may i say research focuses? or other better expression? thank you very much(----) --Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishowing (talk o contribs) 07:50, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Miscellaneous reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Someguy1221 (talk) 09:27, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Help me --Preceding unsigned comment added by Syedalinaqinaqvi (talk o contribs) 02:11, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Editnotice

I've noticed that this page is often being used as a dumping ground for new articles; perhaps it would help if an edit notice were added to the top of the page to inform new users about the options for creating new articles? AfC, userspace drafting, etc. It might also be useful to include a notice about signing messages as well, as naturally this page is one of the main places where users don't know to, or forget to, sign messages. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 14:05, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, I did add the red text to Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Header which is transcluded at the top of the page. I guess an edit notice to the same effect can't hurt, but will probably be ignored. - ukexpat (talk) 14:27, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

Redesign

I've drafted a possible redesign of the page, at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/header-redesign. It tries to simplify and prettify, and separate the questions onto a different page. It can surely be improved on (it's a rough draft), but I think the general idea is sound. Comments? Rd232 ^talk 02:31, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea. From a practical point of view, this page is 100% redundant to Wikipedia:Help desk. It may not be the intent to be redundant, but it has become so. Instead of having questions asked directly on this page, it may be better to use this page as a navigation aid to direct people to better places to ask questions. For the record, I don't think we need the second box on the left, which is a redlink directing people to "We don't do that here". Probably a bit bitey; in general just about anything can be answered at the reference desks or the help desk; if it is outside of the purview of either of those we can direct people as needed, just as we do now. People who don't read the headers already written at the Reference Desk or the Help Desk which explain which kinds of questions won't be answered are not going to be convinced not to ask their question by merely having another header which tells them so. Gently declining to answer the question when it is asked is the only way to handle it. Otherwise, however, I like the idea of using this page as a navigation aid to the other desks rather than as a place to get questions answered directly, because of the redundancy problem. --Jayron32 02:38, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

(i) "using this page as a navigation aid to the other desks rather than as a place to get questions answered directly" wasn't the idea! The idea was making it easier to get what's going on, partly by moving questions to a subpage. If you look at the existing header, those links are already there, just not as clearly presented. (ii) the second link was obviously not intended to remain a redlink! It was slightly inspired by Wikipedia:Article wizard/Not quite yet and the current standard template reply given to people asking those kinds of questions. A whole page for that would allow for more expansiveness and gentleness and possibly helpfulness, and this method should reduce time and space given to questions that shouldn't be asked. (iii) A lot of the objection from merging Help Desk and Newcomers was from newcomers seeing the Help Desk questions, some of which may be off-puttingly technical. So this is not out of the question, especially if HelpDesk follows a similar redesign. However, I'm also trying to get round to proposing that we link this page a lot more from places that might rather increase traffic. I'm looking at MediaWiki:Anoneditwarning, perhaps also MediaWiki:Semiprotectedpagewarning and MediaWiki:Protectedpagewarning. I'd also like it to be linked from an editnotice seen by new accounts who are not yet auto-confirmed, but I'm not sure there's any way of targeting them. Rd232 ^talk 09:06, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I tweaked the "get your article reviewed" text to improve the wording. - ukexpat (talk) 14:24, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

...and a few other minor fixes. A couple of other points: does it really need {{editabuselinks}} at the top? I doubt whether many new contributors are looking for that kind of detail; I think the formatting needs to be "compressed" to reduce the height of the box; perhaps a link to The Missing Manual would be helpful; and, to deal with a pet peeve of mine, can we add some sort of "please don't post a new article here" advisory, perhaps at the very top so that it is immediately obvious? Great work though, the page has been in need of a spruce-up for a while. - ukexpat (talk) 14:33, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. :) I'm not sure about removing abuselinks; I think it gives a sense of the range of issues and venues, and people may click them to find out more. TMM can be added somewhere, sure - in the bottom help links box I guess, or even in the "more sources of help" yellow box. The "don't post a new article here" may be less necessary with the new design, but it should still be part of the editintro for the Questions subpage, and the editnotice for the main page (though it should be at least semi-protected as well, to reduce erroneous posting that should go to the Questions subpage). Design does need improving; I'm not happy with the way the yellow boxes don't quite line up vertically, and probably somebody could come up with something more substantially better. Could ask at VPT perhaps to try and find someone suitably design-competent. Rd232 ^talk 15:42, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

I think it's about ready to go now. I'll do it soon if there are no objections. Rd232 ^talk 14:07, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

There is one issue that I see: questions are supposed to go in between a head and footer template, but if the new section feature is used to post questions this will not be possible. The issue of redundancy should also be addressed; we have not two, but three Wikipedia help desks: this one, the regular Help Desk, and the Village Pump. Intelligentsium 00:03, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, I've got rid of the footer, well spotted. The redundancy issue is not new, and I'm going to list the Newcomers' page in more places which will increase traffic; and it's a particular kind of traffic which is best handled separately. Rd232 ^talk 00:57, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

From the "questions" page - "Sorry, couldn't figure out how to get back to the answers without posting another question". The header needs to make this clear. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:41, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

OK, done that. Rd232 ^talk 14:11, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Redesign subpage: "sorry-we-don't-do-that"

This section assumes that users who read:

"Ask a question about a practical problem you have

that is not related to using or editing Wikipedia."

are {{astray}}. Yet, I think most readers clicking here will be (like those responding to the section above it) just looking for a reference desk type service. I think we can flip the astray text around so that we don't make this assumption, but still address those who are in fact astray, with language such as:

"If you have a general knowledge question please visit the reference desk. However, if you came here thinking we were directly affiliated with a subject you read about here, please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit. We have a vast database of 5,572,368 articles, which many questions can be answered by searching, but we have no inside track on the subjects reflected here, nor do we have any direct relationship with or control over the subjects of our encyclopedia entries.

--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

"which" should be "in which", I think. But that's a long and complicated sentence. Maybe "...anyone can edit. Many questions can be answered by searching within our vast database of 5,572,368 articles; but we have no inside track..." is a little simpler. -- John of Reading (talk) 14:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Echoing what I said on my user talk page: there is no direct link to that page except from immediately below the Knowledge Question option... it seems fine to me in terms of being very clear for those who come there and do suffer this misapprehension (that they can somehow communicate with the subject or WP has some connection with the subject), whilst it's also clear for anyone who doesn't but was hoping for something we can't provide. PS "inside track" is not necessarily clear to readers whose first language is not English. If we want to reword it, we should make sure it is expressed in simpler words and sentences, and thereby with greater clarity. Rd232 ^talk 00:10, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Arrow icons

{{editprotected}} It strikes me that with those arrow icons, many users unfamiliar with wikipedia will click on the arrows, expecting to be taken to the relevant page, but instead be taken to the arrow icon file: would an admin link the arrows to the respective locations please? GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 13:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The arrows are on the page at Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Header and it's not protected, so you can do the changes yourself if you want to. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:04, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I've linked eight of the arrows. Where should the bottom right arrow take you? -- John of Reading (talk) 14:31, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Whoops, I never noticed that WOSlinker; thanks for pointing it out. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 15:22, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The arrows were linked in my design, which I've now reverted to. They were not linked in this design imposed unilaterally, without previous discussion or even notification. This would be less of an issue if it were unambiguously better, but in a number of ways it's clearly worse. The colours are unfriendlier, the structure which aids scanning and navigation is lost, the icons gone, and the arrows are placed above the links they're directing people to in a way that makes no sense. Plus the design consistency with the relevant subpages is lost. The existing design can surely be improved, but this isn't the solution. Rd232 ^talk 15:15, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

I moved the design you reverted to WT:New contributors' help page/Sandbox and made a couple of minor adjustments. It may need a complete overhaul, but either way, designs can be proposed and tested there. GiftigerWunsch [TALK] 15:39, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Guides study/project

Hi everyone!

I wanted to let you know about a study that we are getting together to start next month. As I'm sure many of you are aware we have had a decrease in new editors over the past couple years.

As a community we have a lot of ideas but We've been stymied by a lot of options and little data.

We want to conduct a study over the next couple months (with some resources from the Wikimedia Foundation) to help craft strategies to develop new users, to get data on exactly how our new users are finding their first, and later, experiences on Wikipedia and of course to help share the experiences of the experienced users who are here to find out what works, what doesn't and what resources they need to make their work easier.

The plan at the moment is to have several groups of users, 1 group that is just followed (the control) and several other groups with guides who actively reach out and try to help them edit and join the community. I hope that you can help us as we get ready for the study start next month and help the new users once we start! You can find out more information and sign up on the project page and if you can think of anyone who might be interested please please PLEASE point them this way or let me know so I can reach out to them personally!

The project pages were just set up and I'm starting my outreach for volunteers now, relatively slowly. A couple projects tonight and then extend that over the next couple days both for wiki projects and for individuals I know may be interested in helping out. I would appreciate any ideas or thoughts you have! Jalexander--WMF 05:33, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Malaysia are country nomber 5 in world who hv sponsor build a Legoland???

Legoland Malaysia: A catalyst for Johor's growth 22 February 2010 , By New Straits Times -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Tom988 (talk o contribs) 05:51, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

My Battle With the Banana-Yellow Box

The "Ask a knowledge question" link that directs to the Reference Desk links back here in a very circular way. In this order, it can appear that the link back to this page is an option for a category of question to ask. This is an epitome example of how I think the help system could some use improvement. IMHO, the general format of editing articles in order to ask how to do so is very confusing, or at the least, unusual/unorthodox, hence there should be an absolute dead-clear click trails for people seeking basic help. Wikipedia is extremely self-referencing, so it's very easy to just click around in circles indefinitely. There may be a value to forcing the newbie to become familiar with the Wikipedia structure, but one can't assume everyone's going to have the same learning rate and time schedule. Someone seeking help specific to Wikipedia may also be new to navigating the web, or have other additional limits that being familiar with the more common methods of finding help on the internet eliminate, hence every major click-path for help should be made exceptionally clear, disallow circularity, and replicate/emulate generic/standard help-seeking methos as much as possible. My primary personal source of trouble here is ADHD, but this situation may apply to others; people who are new to the internet, people who can't or don't know how to change text sizes, people not surfing with crisp color and borderlines (mobile phone, projector, e-ink reader, etc.), colorblind people, visually challenged people, etc... (I use a projector and have some relevant vision problems, so consider this an epitome example of problems many others have on less inflated levels!)

Here's a progression that demonstrates what I'm talking about. (This is partially a parody of my own idiocy. Don't get lost deciphering the precise tone of my humor.)

1. I've been searching help for awhile and haven't found what I'm looking for. It's evening, I'm tired, the dog needs to go out, and I finally I've found the friendly phrase "What would you like to do?" question on the New Contributer's Help Page. It's mirthful "DON'T PANIC"-esque large font on a yellow background emits the soothing decor of a For Dummies book. Both have articles, so I'm sure Wikipedia is familiar with my situation, and I'm confident the aura is intended. I'm already good at inserting relevant links, so I'm sure answering this question will be a cinch. I've reached the Emerald City and am about to find my answers, especially because there are only two equally-mirthful options left. They're at the bottom of my screen, too, so they have to be the end of the road.

2. I bite my nails. I can either "Ask a question", or "Do something". At the least, I have a 50/50 chance of getting exactly where I want to go. It rarely worked on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?", but I'm a healthy straight male and always take action before stopping for directions. In hopes for luck, I make a promise to the great puzzle globe that I will insert several relevant references to this point in my quest if I ever document it, but threaten to stop at that if I can't get where I'm going.

3. I try to click "Do something". It doesn't do anything. I'm used to clicking on underlined things, and I'm fairly certain it was a good assumption that clicking "Do something" will do something rather than nothing, especially since there's nothing else but "Ask a question" to click, and wouldn't it be a mean trick to force me to stop and ask directions when I've been given the option of not having to do so. Something's gone wrong, but I'm firm in my pride and refuse to ask for help yet. I can figure this out on my own.

4. I click "Do something" again, because it was probably something stupid I did like not click on the right letter or area. "Do something" still doesn't do anything. I check several other websites at random, and confirm that other underlined things often do things. I feel a bit better, because "Do something" is being stupid now, not me. It's hypocritical, and I decide to have nothing further to do with it.

5. Just to be thorough, I click 17 more times on "Do something" to make absolutely sure it's the page that's at fault. It works.

6. I swallow my pride and click "Ask a question". It doesn't do anything either. My dog suggests that the yellow represents someone who messed up the functionality of the page then piddled in the box to mark the accomplishment.

7. I scroll down and realize there's more to the page. I have more options now, which scare me, especially since my sitcom has come back from a commercial. On the plus side, at least this is a good for my pride, because I have another chance to figure stuff out own my own.

8. I try to click "Find more sources of help on how to edit Wikipedia". It isn't underlined, but has a friendly green arrow, and its under a list of things that "Do something", so this gives me confidence. The confidence didn't help, as this doesn't do anything, either.

9. I make a list of things that don't help me: Underlined things. Non-underlined things.

10. I'm not out of hope yet, though, for there are pictures on the screen. I like pictures. I click vigorously at the picture at the end of "Find more sources of help on how to edit Wikipedia". It's a puzzle piece with a simple "W". It's a bit puzzling a symbol, but a good bet is that the metaphor of a puzzle is there to offer me a solution to puzzlement. It's also larger than a normal icon. Perhaps it's a worshipable icon.

10. "W" doesn't do anything. Neither do the other 3 "W"s, nor any of the pictures at the end of the other sentences. I remember there was a big puzzle globe at the top of the page, and pray to it for the hope it will get me somewhere more helpful, as it seems neither underlined things nor non-underlined things nor normal-sized pictures are helping. I take a good 15 minutes and surf other sites, and find it is always the case that one of these things solves my problems. My dog considers piddling on the rug. My sitcom is approaching another commercial. I'm obsessed with puzzle-solving, however, and have to keep at it, as I'm going to feel unintelligent if I don't figure this thing out.

11. I feel daring and click "What would you like to do?" on the chance it's already its own solution and the rest of the page is rhetorical. It doesn't do anything either.

12. I notice that some of the text I'm looking at is very slightly more blue than the rest. I was so thrilled by the For Dummies-esque yellow that I didn't realize that it made the navy blue color common to hyperlinks hard to distinguish from the black text. I now theorize that blue things do things, and black things don't do things.

13. To test my theory, I click on all the bright blue boxes to the upper-left of the puke-yellow box I need a break from. The boxes don't do anything, nor does the black text within the blue boxes. There is, however, a bit of blue text on the blue background, which is worth exploring. It's small so it may do something. I roll my mouse over "hide", and see that it's a secret hyperlink which underlines itself.

14. I skim some "Master Mind"-esque math, and determine that its blue text that does things, not all blue things. My sitcom is over, however, and my dog has peed a little on the rug. It reminds me about the puke-yellow box I abandoned, but I have to go take him out, and when I come back, I've forgotten a bit of what exactly what I was up to. I shake my head to induce dizziness and go back to basics. There is a friendly orange menu bar at the very top of the friendly yellow box. I probably should have tried that first.

15. Neither clicking the orange bar nor any letter of the phrase in the orange bar produces results. I conclude: A) Either the link is broken, or the text is black, not navy blue on orange which just looked like black. B) Either the yellow box is entled "Wikipedia:New contributors' help page", or I am already on Wikipedia's "New contributers' help page" and the bar is being rhetorical at me. I'm not quite sure, because I notice that the top of the webpage I'm on also includes the phrase "Wikipedia:New contributers' help page" in a larger font. I open a separate window and review the concept of a microcosm, which won't help, but might be a bit interesting. I do know how to use Wikipedia to read articles, but pretending that I opened another window via need for another method helps protect me from the knowledge I'm running away from the problem. Not wanting to return to the yellow box, I also read articles on the terms organization, recursion, repetition, rhetoric, HTML, internet, web page, and computing. I return to the yellow box armed with an aura I'm an intelligent person very able to use Wikipedia. The esteem's a bit flimsy, though, because I used Yahoo and Google to research the terms.

17. Putting stock in that outlining my problem with careful precision will help, I now survey the top of the page at the phrases which may have something to do with where I am or where I can go. I'm doubting that the yellow box will be of any help now at all, and re-evaluating my situation should help. To get a sense of where I am and where I can go, I ignore colors and styles for a moment to see if the intrinsic content is of use. I look for phrases that may give a sign of where I am and where I can go. Glancing around, I find a slew of relevant-looking isolated phrases:

Main Page, Project page, Welcome to Wikipedia, Help Index, Live help, Help desk, New user help, User page help, Contents, Content, Featured content, Content noticeboard, Noticeboards, Noticeboards and related pages, Admins' noticeboard, General, Search, View Source, View History, Ask Questions, View FAQ, Read, Read Glossary, Reference desk, Tutorial, Page Importation, Editor assistance, Editor's index, Edit warring, Interaction, Toolbox, Print/export, Special pages, Requests / Enforcement, Requests for comment, Requests for feedback, External links, Site directory, WP:NCH, WP:NUH, WP:N?, WP:NCHP, WTF?..my dog has to go to out again. It's a good way to exit the page for now, as I'm familiar with my dog and his options. Also, it helps me forget about the terms I googled.

18. My goal of clarity via intrinsic content has failed. I review what I do and don't know about colors and clickable things, and make a survey of my most promising options, starting at the friendly yellow box again and working my way to the end of the page, steeled to my theory the box will be of help if I can figure out what's wrong with it. (I ignore the right side that's failed to uphold the principle of proactivity). Armed with my surefire link detector, I find a series of links that will allow me to do the following things:

1) Ask a knowledge question. 2) Ask a question about a practical problem I have. 3) Find out what "Wikipedia" is. 4) Visit "Frequently Asked Questions". 5) Look for replies to a question I've asked. 6) Visit "current and recent questions". 7) Get "Other ways to get help". 8) Search the FAQ. 9) Check out the Missing Manual. 10) Visit Wikipedia's Tip Library for quick tips on how to do almost anything on Wikipedia. 11) Place: {{helpme}} ...on my talk page, which I get the surreal sense will only create a whole new yellow-box problem. 12) Join an IRC channel. 13) Be connected instantly to an IRC channel. 14) See what "IRC" brings up. 15) Find and directly contact an actively editing user. 16) View "Wikipedia Help". 17) View "Content". 18) Contact Wikipedia 19) Read "Terms of Use". 20) Read "About Wikipedia". 21) Read about "Wikimedia". 22) Read about "MediaWiki". 23) Read about "Wikimedia Foundation, Inc."

19. I bite my nails, and my dog wags his tail that missing so much television means there's something wrong the space-time continuum and he might get dinner again by midnight. I can't make the decision, as I'm terrified each link may bring me to a new yellow box, or do nothing at all and tear apart my clickable link theory. I decide to distract myself from the box's question by fleshing out my system of what things are clickable. Perhaps this will narrow my options or yield a shorter list. A few things I can do are:

1) See if italicized things do things. 2) See if the friendly green arrows do things. 3) See if parenthetical phrases do things. 4) Click on the largest help icon I have ever seen in my life. 5) Click on the huge globe with weird symbols I prayed to. 6) See if the little black arrows are clickable. 7) See if the search icon will bring up a bigger search bar. 8) See if I remember what does what in the yellow box. 9) Speak aloud to the computer screen. 10) Start clicking things at random.

19. With a prayer to my new god the puzzle globe, I click the green arrow next to "Ask a knowledge question". I haven't tried it yet, and I want to try something new, because I forget what everything in the yellow box does and I don't want to fail again if I try to review my notes.

20. I'm brought to Wikipedia's REFERENCE DESK.

21. I go right to the big and colorful things inside boxes, still keen on that big and obvious things should yield results. My options for asking a "knowledge question" are:

Computers and IT - Entertainment - Humanities - Language - Mathematics - Science - Miscelaneous - Archives - Help Desk - Villiage Pump - New contributers' help page

22. I stop there. My prayers to the puzzle globe have been answered. Finally, I will get to ask a knowledge question about the New Contributer's Help Page, for that's all I want help with at this point. I click New Contributer's Help Page.

23. I arrive at the New Contributer's Help Page

24. Grrr. Squish7 (talk) 06:23, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you for all that feedback on a frustrating session. I hope your dog is OK. Here's my executive summary:

At WP:NCHP

• The two headings "Ask a question" and "Do something" look like underlined links, but aren't
• There are decorative icons that aren't clickable
• The text "Find more sources of help..." is not clickable
• The "Noticeboards" template has sub-headings at the left "General/Content/..." which are not clickable
• The "Noticeboards" template is full of links that are confusing for new users
• The orange bar containing "Wikipedia:New contributors' help page" is not clickable
• The "shortcuts" box is confusing for new users

At WP:RD

• There is a link that looks as if it might offer help on using the WP:NCHP, but all it does it take you there.

-- John of Reading (talk) 08:27, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

LOL, sorry, my humor is always elusive. No, I didn't mean I needed help with the details. It was a based-in-truth exaggerated fabrication of how I find the help system here poorly structured, for constructive/parody purposes. It's largely a parody of ADHD, internet users, and vision-impaired people, as well. Most people who are this confused by the help system wouldn't know how to or bother with giving detailed feedback. I figure being an ADHD webmaster is isomorphic in this case to an intelligent newcomer, if that makes any sense, so I thought I'd speak up for what I believe is a lot of other people.

My direct and mundane opinion is that there should be a separate and distinct format from the standard reading articles for things like discussions, conversing, etc. IMHO, it's very lazy to the same article-based medium for all the discussion and conversations. Putting deeper and deeper tabs to distinguish comment levels is very haphazard, for instance. It's like people at Webster emailing meeting memos to each other by inventing a temporary English word for each subject line, an idea so intrinsically comical as it invited parody. I understand there's functionality that should be utilized, like allowing the mark-up code for links and so on, but this should be carefully fused with a generic message-friendly chat-friendly format that people seeking help will be familiar with.

Your help system assumes that everyone looking for help has an equal ability to figure out a new unorthodox one. It should be sympathetic to people who are newer to the internet who've already spent extra time learning how to ask for help on websites and are familiar with a simple bubble box or message board that's usually available (and to people who are impaired for other reasons, like being confused easily or having vision problems). It takes me a lot more time to get to know a new system than most, just one of infinite situations that a help system exists for and should take into account. (That is, it should take into account as many scenarios as possible. Being easily confused by unorthodox structures is a very common scenario.) Squish7 (talk) 15:12, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I really appreciate your comments, and I hope that other help desk volunteers will read either your comments or my summary so that we can improve things. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:26, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Ohhh, you were summarizing! I'm sorry, I didn't quite get it. I thought you were explaining to me. I.e. that "'Ask a question' and 'do something' look like underlined links, but aren't" was explaining to me why I was confused, lol.. See? More idiot ADHD stuff on my part... No that's a great summary, thanks. Though I wasn't solely getting at this page. My foremost point was that the whole slop/structure of help pages (including this one) could use some attention. There isn't a "discussion" for groups of pages so I chose this as the epitome example of where I think the Wikipedia help system could use improvement. Squish7 (talk) 16:02, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I very much enjoyed the humor, and agree that the user interface could and should be improved. The Village Pump might be a good place to discuss possible improvements. Here I tried to suggest that (1) category titles be included in search by default, and (2) an "advanced" or (search) "options" link next to the search box (like on Google) would be a big help (who is ever going to guess that you must do a null search to be presented with search options)... LittleBen (talk) 12:27, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how your software and projector works. With normal browsers and computers, the user moves a pointing device (usually a mouse) around and this causes an icon to move around the screen. When the icon is over a clickable link the icon changes, usually from an arrow to a hand. Wikipedia uses colors to identify links when you are not pointing at them. As you have discovered, they only become underlined when you hover over them. Wikipedia has so many clickable terms on many pages that it would annoy most people to read a page if all links were underlined. However, you can choose to underline all links by selecting "Always" in the "Underline links" box at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. This may cause confusion in the relatively rare cases where unlinked words are underlined.

Wikipedia is a big place and may look daunting to a new user. I don't know what you originally wanted to know, but if you ask here then we can either answer it or direct you to a better place. The same holds for several other help and discussion pages. People usually don't just omit to reply or say "You are in the wrong place". They give you an answer anyway or a link to the right place (sometimes only an unlinked name of the right place). The reference desks are for "knowledge questions" which are not about Wikipedia. This help page is for questions about Wikipedia.

There has long been debate and development work on a separate edit system for discussions, but a lot of established users like the current system and object to the alternative Wikipedia:LiquidThreads. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:07, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Links to 2011 archives

Hi, can some good Wikipedian add the links for the 2011 archives to the archive page? Much appreciated. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 16:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Done. TNXMan 16:38, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Gosh, thanks for your rapid intervention, I had forgotten to watch the page, wiki kudos to you. CaptainScreebo ^Parley! 00:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Using references/external links more than once

Is there any way of citing the same references/external links more than once but avoiding the same items being repeated in "Notes"/"References", please. LittleBen (talk) 04:45, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, using "named references" - see WP:NAMEDREFS. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks, and apologies for posting my question in the wrong place. LittleBen (talk) 12:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Redlink

Fixed

You've got a redlink to Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/sorry-we-don't-do-that; shouldn't it be a link to Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Sorry, we don't do that? The page is protected, so I can't edit it. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually the red link was on Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Header, which I was able to edit. --teb728 t c 11:39, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Well done. Thanks. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 82.31.242.180, 16 August 2011

The use of the possessive 's is of Anglo Saxon origin and is probably wrong. All the place names around Rogans Seat are of Norse origin. The Norse moved into this area c900 AD after losing control of Dublin and this part of Britain did not become part of England until about 1085. There would have been little Anglo Saxon influence before then. 19th Centuary editions of Ordnance Survey Maps and the 1955 edition of Encyclopedia Britannica name this mountain as Rogans Seat without the apostrophe. The name Rogan may have come from the Norse "Rogn".

82.31.242.180 (talk) 00:07, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

This belongs on the talk page of whatever article you are referring to. If you mean Rogan's Seat then it is not protected, and if you want to change the name of an article then you have to make a requested move and not a requested edit. Note however WP:COMMONNAME. From a little searching it looks to me like "Rogan's Seat" is more common than "Rogans Seat". We don't generally use the original name of something if another name is more common today. Language changes. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:35, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 125.58.226.177, 27 September 2011

125.58.226.177 (talk) 14:04, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

You appear to be lost! I suggest you go back to Wikipedia:New contributors' help page, scroll down a little and follow one of the links in the big box labelled "What do you want to do?". -- John of Reading (talk) 14:43, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Communication with Printer Driver in Delphi

hello.. How do I'm get the status printer from the EPSON STATUS MONITOR 3 ?, I've tried to detect the status direct from the driver, not from windows, but I'm just get the status from the windows, not from DRIVER, the difference : if from the windows after the printing is executed then the status is successful automatically, although printing not yet finished. Well, how can me communication with the printer driver I'm using printer EPSON LX-300+II, delphi2010, windows7. does anyone ever have problems like me ??? Please help me. thank... -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Ariswidiantoro (talk o contribs) 03:46, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. TNXMan 12:58, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2011

Daron Norwood had a hit country Xmas novelty song in 1995 that charted at #75 on Billboard, "The Workin' Elf Blues", from the Giant Country Christmas compilation CD. Written by Nashville songwriters Jim Moran, Ken Forsythe, and Tim Johnson. It was on side of a two-sided single release, along with Carlene Carter's "Rockin' Little Christmas". The song still gets some airplay on Country and satellite radio over the holidays.

67.90.159.2 (talk) 17:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

You appear to be lost! Go back to the page Daron Norwood and click "Edit" at the top to edit it; it is not a protected page. Remember to include a reliable source so that readers can check your writing for themselves. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:21, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Wrong angle implicit

The equation of article creation with editor retention, and the score-board mentality that trumpets the nearly four million articles at en.WP, is doing nothing for our poor rates of editor attraction and retention. The place is full of drive-by one-line stubs created by editors who just want to look-see and say they've done it. They don't come back to create a worthwhile article out of their stub. They don't become part of the community.

Enough.

The first thing that needs to be addressed is the order in which the buttons are displayed. Why is it that these are not at the top:

• "Ask a question about using or editing Wikipedia" (better, "Ask a question about editing Wikipedia");
• "Ask to be paired with an experienced editor who can help you become part of the editing community"
• "Find more sources of help on how to edit Wikipedia".

The second thing I notice is that "Find and directly contact an actively editing user at Highly Active Users" (let's drop the caps, please?) is allocated by time-zone. Is this the best way of listing people? You're then confronted by a confusing table that has rows of ticks for administrative stuff a newbie will never have heard of (and what does the rather uninviting "Busy", mean? I'm too busy to bother with you?). It seems like it's not geared towards establishing even short-term mentoring relationships for newbies who might, just might, become ongoing members of the editing community, but for instant questions and answers. It's all a bit weird, which is why, I'm guessing, it's hardly ever used. What a turn-off!

I'd be recruiting experienced editors who agree to take on one or two newbies each, on a rolling basis. It probably needs to be coordinated via a wikiproject. Newbies find the community perplexing, complex, and sometimes threatening. Having a mentor for those we identify as promising would save some from oblivion. This current system just lets them slip through our fingers.

Making a few changes here would be just a start towards solving our crisis in editor numbers. Tony (talk) 04:15, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 24 December 2011

In the final sentence, replace "...luthier Michael Schneider" with "...luthier Richard Schneider"

71.238.92.109 (talk) 14:13, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

This request was misplaced, but I believe you are referring to the article Michael Kasha and I have made the change. You could have edited the article yourself, since it is not protected. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:31, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit request for null link

The link "Request that other editors review your new article" now goes to a defunct essay, and contains a soft redirect to the help desk. I feel this should be changed. I don't know why we don't have a page on such a worthwhile topic, but if we don't, it seems dubious to have the promise raising expectations. Can someone fix please? Regards, IBE (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The link is defined in Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Header, which is not protected. I'm not sure of the best fix, though. The Wikipedia:Requests for feedback page was shut down because not enough editors were dealing with the requests. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:16, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 13 January 2012

He has performed at the VMA's with Lady Gaga and is in the video Marry The Night

74.100.203.200 (talk) 06:20, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

What article are you trying to edit? If the article is protected from editing, please add the "Edit request" on that article's talk page, not here. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

New users by type

I've noticed that there are a few projects available specifically geared toward introducing Wikipedia to specific types of new users. I don't know if we've got an overarching page that lists these projects, but if we do, we should list it here. If we don't let me know and I'll create one so we can list it here. Thoughts? Rklawton (talk) 21:49, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 January 2012

The information regarding Louisa Neville is incorrect. If you need references I shall be happy to provide them, e.g. London Gazette and The list of Officers of the Army and Marines. Thomas Chandler Haliburton married Louisa Neville, the only daughter of Captain Lawrence Neville of the 23rd, 19th, 13th Light Dragoons, and 2nd Life Guards on .

142.177.63.247 (talk) 01:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Your request is in the wrong place. Are you referring to the article Thomas Chandler Haliburton? That article is not protected so you can edit it by clicking the "Edit" tab. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:34, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Watch list activation message

Please see Wikipedia talk:Help desk#Watch list activation message.Moxy (talk) 08:52, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 January 2012

LACt unit definition is vague. Found a more complete description on a company website, http://www.valin.com/index.php/systems2/precision-measurement/lact. Can his page's information and company be sited on the wikipedia page for LACTS?

72.1.89.105 (talk) 19:07, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you referring to Lease automatic custody transfer unit? If so, the definition there seems pretty precise. Also, your link appears to be an advertisement. TNXMan 19:11, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Adding Drakes raid on St. Augustine

I would like to add a small narrative of Drake's raid on St. Augustine.

I've already added it to our our timeline of Florida history at 1586--Ourhistory153 (talk) 17:47, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

New users can't create new articles until auto-confirmed

New users can't create new articles until auto-confirmed so why suggest "Create an article now" which will likely fail anyway? Why not suggest they create an account, confirm there accoount or edit existing pages? Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 11:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

New users can create articles right away. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:53, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

"BEITRAGSZÄHLER" in the German Wikipedia

Hello, where can I find in the English Wikipedia above counter? Greetings -- 217.227.205.169 (talk) 18:37, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

The link "Beitragszähler" apparently goes to different edit counters from different pages at the German Wikipedia. I'm not sure whether you want a specific edit counter but WP:COUNT has links to many. The bottom of the user contributions page for registered users has a link to one of them on "Edit count". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:39, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

the difference between electrical engineering and electronic engineering

These two technologies are under the same domain. I want to explain these two technologies in simple way: That electrical engg: is deal with AC current, but electronics engg: deals with both AC & DC.(IEEE NYC) -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Zubair jokhio (talk o contribs) 20:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I would disagree with that. DC can be used for electrical power, for example in railway propulsion. Do you have any published reliable sources for your definition? - David Biddulph (talk) 09:40, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, your question is in the wrong place. This page is for discussing changes to Wikipedia:New contributors' help page. - David Biddulph (talk) 09:46, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Changes

I propose two changes to this page:

1) Among the three boxes in the 'Ask a question' column, the third one 'Ask a question about using or editing Wikipedia' is more frequently visited than the second one 'Ask a question about a practical problem you have'. Hence they should be swapped.

2) The link 'Look for replies to a question you've asked here' should be moved inside the box 'Ask a question about using or editing Wikipedia' as it applies only for that and not for other pages.

And by the way, why was this fully protected without any history of edit warring. Could have been semi protected. --Anbu121 (talk me) 09:13, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I've tried reducing the protection to semi. Let's see if that works. :) If it doesn't, it's a toggle to put it back on full. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 11:14, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

I didn't realize that this page is a template transclusion. Anyways, I will make the changes proposed after 10 days time if no body opposes till then. --Anbu121 (talk me) 11:24, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Introductory help pages, like this, are often protected to prevent people from posting questions or otherwise using them instead of dedicated pages. Changes aren't often needed, and those times when they are necessary (no question that this is one of those times) provoke little problem, but everybody gets frustrated when someone uses a page the wrong way -- we regulars have to clean up content that doesn't belong, and new editors don't get the help that they were expecting. Nyttend (talk) 23:09, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Please move it back to full protection if required. I didn't realized the page transclusion. The transcluded header is anyways not protected and changes are going to be only at the transcluded page, not here. --Anbu121 (talk me) 23:49, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 November 2012

Patricia Medina also appeared in an episode of Johnny Yuma - The Rebel with Nick Adams, March 1960, as Belle. (from TV Guide: Patricia Medina and James Drury appear in this story of a beautiful---and very elusive---outlaw. Belle: Patricia Medina. Pace: James Drury. Johnny: Nick Adams. Farnum: Jim Chandler. Kramer: Stacy Harris. Stage Driver: Mickey Finn. 97.92.2.99 (talk) 16:10, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Not done. Please make this request on one of the involved pages' talk pages. gwickwire | Leave a message 19:10, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

WMF grant proposal

I have submitted a proposal for one of WMF's new Individual Engagement Grants. It is a pilot project to determine whether coaching new editors on their writing for the English Wikipedia improves editor retention, focusing on women and Global Southerners. If you would like to endorse this project, you can do so here. I would also appreciate any other feedback, pro or con, which can be posted here. Thanks! Libcub (talk) 03:32, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

IEngagement grant proposal for editor engagement

Likewise, I have submitted a Meta:Grants:IEG/Studying_content_interest_and_editor_engagement_factors_with_new_editors for the [Meta:Grants:IEG|Individual Engagement Grants]]. I aim to understand how engagement is produced in new editors and see if it is possible to achieve retention with suggestions and courses. In a way, I will be adopting users but at the same time studying them with methods such as interviews and metrics. I have conducted other studies with data processing in Wikipedia and surveys to understand communities. If you would like to endorse this project you can do it here. I would so appreciate any kind of feedback! Thank you very much. --Marcmiquel (talk) 14:50, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

ACC needs help!

Hello everyone, I'm DeltaQuad (also known as DQ), an account creation interface administrator and developer. Recently, our project has had an increased backlog in getting accounts for new users. Our numbers are currently above 250 people waiting for accounts on the English Wikipedia. If you could even spare a moment to do a few requests a day to help us clear this backlog. If this interests you and your willing to help, and you match the following description, then please do apply! Ideal users are:

• Identified to the Wikimedia Foundation
• In good standing with no recent blocks
• Understand and being able to apply the username policy
• Have worked with new contributors
• Have a good at dealing with a situation even while in a dispute
• The full list of requirements

We have a very friendly team to help you get started and we also have an IRC channel. If you have any questions for us or about the process, feel free to ask at the talkpage. If you can help out, we would greatly appreciate it. For the ACC Administration and Development Team, -- DQ (?l??) 23:20, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

My access to the interface was suspended some time ago for inactivity. I recently applied for it to be reinstated, but was rejected even though I meet all the above requirements and am an OTRS volunteer. What else do I need to do???--ukexpat (talk) 15:21, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Ukexpat, your reinstatement was denied due to Identification. Incoming request display private information, all involved users must be identified. Mlpearc (powwow) 16:53, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

OK so didn't I have to identify myself for OTRS purposes? What other form if ID do I need to submit for ACC? Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 17:56, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor

Have you all been looking at the VisualEditor? The WP:VisualEditor is designed to let people edit without needing to learn wikitext syntax. The articles will look the same (or nearly the same) in the new edit "window" as when you read them (aka WYSIWYG), and changes will show up as you type them, very much like writing a document in a modern word processor. This new editing system is intended especially to help new editors, so anyone who works with new editors will benefit from spending some time with the upcoming WP:VisualEditor now, so you'll be able to answer questions when it's deployed this summer (current target is 01 July 2013 for the English Wikipedia). More than 1,500 editors have tried this out so far, and feedback overall has been positive.

Right now, the early test version is available only to registered users who opt-in, and it's a bit slow and limited in features. You can do all the basic things like writing or changing sentences, creating or changing section headings, and editing simple bulleted lists. It currently can't either add or remove templates (like fact tags), ref tags, images, categories, or tables (and it will not be turned on for new users until common reference styles and citation templates are supported). These more complex features are being worked on, and the code will be updated as things are worked out, but this is where we are with the development and testing so far. Also, right now you can only use it for articles and user pages.

What the developers need from people like you--people who deal with basic questions from inexperienced editors--is for you to take it out for a spin and tell them how it worked. Please go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing and tick the box at the end of the page, where it says "Enable VisualEditor (only in the main namespace and the User namespace)". Save the preferences, and then try fixing a few typos or copyediting a few articles by using the new "VisualEditor" tab instead of the section [Edit] buttons or the old "Edit" tab (which will still be present and still work for you). Fix a typo or make some changes, and then click the 'save and review' button (at the top of the page). We really need people who will try this out on 10 or 15 pages and then leave a note Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback about their experiences: Did it work for you? Did it screw up something simple? (Give a diff, please!) Did you try something complicated and it worked unexpectedly? Did something not work, but you think it should be a high-priority item because new editors are likely to encounter it? This is going to be a big change to the new-user experience, and they'd like to get it right. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:50, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

No link to 2013

I remembered I could add it myself, and by duplicating the previous formats I was able to provide links to this year's archives. I was limited in my time online in February so I got behind schedule here.-- Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:35, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Questions archived in wrong month

I noticed some questions from a previous month had been archived in the wrong place so I took care of making sure they were archived in their correct month.-- Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Proposed merge

I have (re-)proposed merging Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/questions into Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions. Please discuss here. the wub "?!" 16:27, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

The result was Merge, as reported here. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:46, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

And archived here.-- Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:50, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

How do you get to the archive?

I used to look at the New Contributors' Help Desk (or a similar title) because some of the answers were interesting, and I helped out with unanswered questions. Some glitch caused my contributions to be recorded as contributions to The Teahouse, which is how I discovered that place. But say someone might find an answer in the New Contributors' Help Desk archives? Where might one find a link to that?-- Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:45, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:New contributors' help page/Archive contains some advice on searching the archives. - David Biddulph (talk) 02:24, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Let me be more specific. A newcomer might benefit from these archives but won't know they exist.-- Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:38, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

I found the merge discussion and was reminded why my contributions showed The Teahouse.-- Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Be careful when hiding

On the various help pages, there will sometimes be content that needs to be hidden. I'm amazed this has never happened befofre, but in an archive it happened not once but twice. Most of the page was missing. The last content on the page in each case was hidden. {{collapse bottom}} was missing.-- Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 21:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Pls Re Create Prof Mujeeb Zafar Anwaar Hameedi... Thanks

Mujeeb Zafar Anwar Hameedi (Urdu: ???? ??? ????? ????? ?)(born August 24, 1959) is a Pakistani poet and writer of children's literature.[1] He has written several books and has received awards as cash prizes and merit certificates on his three books Khooni Khazana, Garam Garam Rotian, and Lijiey Ice Cream Khaiey from Federal Ministry of Education Government of Pakistan in 2004.[2]

Personal life Hameedi was born on August 24, 1959 in Liaqat Abad (Sheesh Mahal) Karachi, Pakistan to Syed Anwar Hussain and Syeda Fatima Akhtar Naseeri. He received his Matriculation Examination certificate in 1975 from Karachi Grammar School, his F. Sc.[clarification needed] in 1978 from D.J Science College, Karachi and his B.Sc degree in 1981 from Federal Govt Urdu Science College, Karachi. He has Ph.D and D.Litt degrees from the University of Karachi. He was also a Faculty Member of Pakistan Steel Cadet College.[3]

Career Hameedi began his career working at Mohammadi Public School in 1986, he worked for 8 years.Later he tought Urdu at Cadet College Steel Town Karachi [3] and Aga Khan Education Services. In 1998 Hameedi succeeded Sindh Public Service Commission exam and became a Lecturer in Urdu, posted at Government Boys Delhi College (then Sirajud Daulah Degree College). He was also an acting principal at Konkar Degree College. Hameedi is currently a visiting professor of Urdu at Karachi University and a professor in Urdu Literature and Linguistics At Sirajuddaula Government Degree College, Karachi.[4] He is Patron in chief of the Pakistan Children's Writers' Guild.[5]

About Hameedi's efforts for promotion of children stories an author writes;

"The Pakistan Children Writers Guild was formed for promoting literature for children of which Dr. Mujeeb Anwar Hamidi is the patron-in-chief along with Professor Saher Ansari, Jamil-u-Din Aali, Masood Barkati, Alhaj Shamim-u-Din, Naheed Nargis, Fatima Suriya Bajia, Altaf Qadri, Dr. Aslam Saeed and Agha Noor Mohamed Pathan part of the executive committee of the guild. In this regard, a small yet colourful ray of hope was given by Mahnaz Malik who published her first story book for kids title 'Mo's Star,' a story about a penguin trying to reach the stars".[5] Awards Nomination for Sitara-e-Imtiaz 2008 [6] Bibliography Purasrar Sandooq [7][unreliable source?] ??????? ????? Lijiey Ice Cream Khaiey ????? ??? ???? ?????? Aunti Hamari Gend Dey Den[7][unreliable source?] ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? Ghazliya Auto Biography"Mehram E Raaz e Daroon e Mey Khana Bachon Ka adab Titliyaan Poetry for children 1976 Khoon Aalood Khanjar [7][unreliable source?] ??? ???? ???? Soney Ka Cake[7] ???? ?? ??? Chaabi Waali Motor ???? ???? ???? Satwaan Tilissm Garrm Garrrm Rotiyan[7][unreliable source?] ??? ??? ?????? Ghazlen 1n 2005 Mein Hon Mahram e Raaz e Daroon e Mey Khana (Tanqeed) Lijey Ice Cream Khaiey[7][unreliable source?] See also List of Pakistani writers List of Urdu language writers References ^ Khurshid Ahmer (May 28,29,2011). "Children Writers Guild's meeting held". Daily News. Jang Group. http://dailynews.net.pk/may2011/28-05-2011/childern.asp. Retrieved September 10, 2012. ^ "CITY: Prof. Hameedi wins awards on his three books.". ASIA PULSE. Pakistan Press International Information Services Limited. July 3, 2004. http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-21863225_ITM. Retrieved September 10, 2012. ^ a b "Pakistan Steel Cadet College: Ex-Faculty Members List". http://psccpk.com/?page_id=176. Retrieved September 10, 2012. ^ "KARACHI: Call to promote children's literature". Dawn.com. http://archives.dawn.com/2006/06/24/local19.htm. Retrieved September 10, 2012. ^ a b Mehreen Kasana (29 March 2011). "A neglected coup de plume". Dawn.com blog. Dawn.com. http://dawn.com/2011/03/29/a-neglected-coup-de-plume-2/. Retrieved September 10, 2012. ^ "???? ?????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ???????? ????? ?????". Pak Study.com. http://www.pakstudy.com/index.php?topic=15992.0;wap2. Retrieved 2012-09-25. ^ a b c d e f "???? ??? ????? ????? Mujeeb Zafar Anwar Hameedi". Bio-Bibliography.com. http://bio-bibliography.com/authors/view/8078. Retrieved 2012-12-13. External links

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujeeb_Zafar_Anwar_Hameedi -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.50.199.73 (talk) 07:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Source of the article : Wikipedia